Putting this one out before I go to Yosemite and Sequoia for a week of quiet time. Last week I had three closes out of four dates. This week I got smoked three times in a row at the beginning of the week before wrapping up with a close.
All dates are from Tinder.
If I would have to assign a scoring it would be 5 – 6 – 7 – 7.5 for the four lays.
The key points of this post are
- Working out a rock solid date routine
- Getting her to your bedroom is not all. Preventing LMR
The date routine (first week):
Monday:
I met with a hot girl who was into me. We had some good convo. When I tried to kiss her it was short and resistant on her side. I walked her home. As we got near her house she awkwardly increased the distance to me and said goodbye. It pissed me off. She had seemed very attracted to me through text. But I didn’t escalate and lead it properly. Just because it didn’t happen naturally. I had figured that if she was attracted everything would play out nicely (last post). Wrong.
Tuesday: #1 Filipino
The next day I was still angry at myself and figured it can’t go on like that. What I had said in my previous post to just “not worry about the date”. It didn’t work out anymore. Almost every component was solid: profile, opening, online convo, text convo, date set up, but not the date itself. I decided to dive in and think this through.
What’s the most important part of the date? Logistics. A structure you can adhere to so you can lead confidently. I hadn’t been happy with the bar. I hadn’t been happy how far the bar was from my house. But taking an objective look at it this is what I’m dealing with. Make it work. I wrote down an exact easy procedure. Some things were new, some I had already done.
- Tell her to meet at my local bar at 9
- 1 hr before ask her: Are you driving?
- She normally isn’t. Regardless I tell her: You can come here then we can walk there together. Surprisingly most girls are totally fine with that
- When she arrives I tell her I am not ready yet. I say I have to take care of the laundry. I walk inside. 90% of the time she just follows. Otherwise I add: you can wait in the kitchen
- Without mentioning the laundry again I start talking to her in the kitchen
- After some talk I tell her to see the garden. This can be a bit awkward. I make a joke about our garden. Talk more and ask if she wants a drink. If she asks about the bar I say: lets just drink here
- We drink on the patio
- Escalate hands
- Kiss her
- Move to my patio which is adjacent to the main patio. Kiss her passionately there
- More passionate kissing and start to finger her. If she resists talk more. Then try again.
- Move her inside my bedroom which is adjacent to my patio. If she’s ready close her.
This is the default. I always go for this first. Optionally I put the bar in front of this whole thing.
The Tuesday lay was a short Filipino. We hadn’t had crazy chemistry over text. I had set up a date but then forgot about it. She had texted me if it was still on. I didn’t have better options so decided to try to routine on her. I literally just went through with this without real obstacles in the way. It’s just about stating the bounce when you need to however awkward it comes out.
Wednesday: #2 Russian
This one took some text back and forth.
She didn’t want to come inside or stay at my house at all. We went to the bar together and I did a lot of push-pull, hands, make-out. Left bar after she saw a cockroach. Many questions on the way home. At home routine as normal, kitchen, patio, my patio, bedroom and close. No LMR.
Thursday: #3 Armenian
Prime example of how a girl’s attraction is like a volume knob not a light switch. Had been talking on and off with this girl for two weeks. She came into the house without question, kitchen, patio, drinks, hands, make-out. Her make out was a little shy. More chat and continuing to my patio. After chat with make-out interspersed, bedroom. She was on her period. But I had solved this one before. I brought up the idea of taking a shower. She didn’t like it. But I continued bringing up the idea and assured her that her hair won’t get wet. Eventually we took a shower together. I assure her we are not having sex. Five minutes later she wants it so bad. Then every time before she looks like she’s about to come she asks me stop. She keeps saying it’s too intense and she needs to pee.
After that I had two flakes on Friday. Friday dates are not worth it. Do something nice on Fridays and Saturdays. Don’t use them for dates.
Week 2: LMR and Preventing it
Sunday: LMR
Started hustling for dates around 5pm that day. Way too late. I hit up a ton of girls. Eventually sweated out a date. However, she won’t come to my location. I have to go across town to Inner Richmond (I’m Bernal Heights).
Date starts too late at 10pm. It’s not on. However, I follow escalation routine. After around 45 minutes make out with her. We are already on the 2nd drink. I don’t like having more than one drink. a) It gets you too drunk b) you and her get into drinking mode, not the same as sex mode c) it makes the time in one place too long, you want to keep bouncing or it will be harder to make the pull later
We go to a second bar. Make out on the way. I let her buy me a drink. This is even worse. There is no direction. We get out of the second bar. I seed the pull. We’re both pretty drunk. She tells me she doesn’t take strangers inside. I walk her to her house. Tell her I need to use the bathroom. She says it’s too loud. I make out with her in the street. It’s getting far too late for me since I work in the morning. I’m rubbing her pussy. She insists that it’s too loud if I come in. I call a Lyft and bounce out.
There are a ton of things that went wrong here. I still have problems away from home. The girl will just keep bouncing to more bars. Yet it’s harder to take charge to bounce if it’s not your house. I believe that if I apply the same rigor as in my home game it should be do-able.
In summary the mistakes here were:
- meeting too late (putting pressure on me at the end due to work the next day)
- drinking too much
- not bouncing after the first drink
- letting her buy me a drink
pros:
- we had very little chemistry in the beginning but just following blind escalation established some sexual attraction
Monday: LMR
Black girl. Comes to my house, I bounce her through the routine, good make out at the right time, bounce all the way to the bedroom, but then heavy LMR. She says we can’t have sex, calls an Uber. While the Uber is arriving I am fingering her. Then she bounces out. The routine was on spot but there was something missing
Tuesday: Day off
Wednesday: LMR
Pretty 21 year old Asian. I had flaked on her the day before because I had needed a break. At my house again, same routine, kiss her in time. She keeps checking her phone and texting. If a girl does that it makes me less confident. I suppose some girls just do that habitually. I think it’s rude. It also makes me feel like she is talking to other people, not really there, etc. etc. I bring her to my patio. Then bring her inside my room. She says she’s not gonna have sex with me. Again I was finger her. I even put a condom on. My dick was literally on her pussy. She repeats we can’t have sex. At some point I and jerk myself off. I wanted too much from the situation. Not good.
I have experiences where I work these out vs. where I don’t. When I’m in abundance these scenarios work out. When I haven’t gotten laid in a few days they don’t. I am still looking for a solid way to work these situations even when I’m not on.
For now I decide that the best way to avoid these is prevention. I go back to the vibing section in Julien’s PIMP program since he talks about things to prevent LMR. I had a solid logistic routine now. But I still hadn’t thought about the content of the date. Here is my LMR prevention plan so far
Make her chase: Push-pull is by far the most reliable means of building attraction in the game. Being ‘natural’ sometimes makes me forget to do this. The pushes don’t even need to be calibrated.
Build comfort:
- Us against the world: joke about other people in the environment. I normally do this anyway
- Fuck Mary kill: ask her to pick one person to fuck, one to marry and one to kill.
- What if: Ex: What would she do if a guy had a small dick; What if a guy was sexually submissive; Anything you find funny
Qualify her: I don’t know what it is but there’s something I like about you
If you make her chase a lot then blame it on her that you’re still attracted
You may say this is all standard. But you often need to remind yourself to actually do this.
Thursday: #4 Sri Lankan
Two girls who I both liked hit me up for dates on Thursday. I choose the skinny Sri Lankan over the Asian one. Mostly because she hit me back earlier and text seemed a little more solid. She was going to join me after a birthday dinner. She already mentioned something about unplanned things happening when she’s drunk.
Before the date I’m so exhausted from work I’m thinking to myself: if she sucks I just want to come home asap. She doesn’t want to come to my house. I don’t really care and meet her at the bar. She looks better than I expected, kinda chic. We talk and it’s friendly but not very on. Once again I force myself to escalate her hands. Then follows an awkward kiss and the ‘have you ever’. I also start some push-pull mostly about how large her hands are, that she is a girl and works in tech, that she’s promised to some Sri Lankan husband and that she smells of curry. When I ask her what is the craziest thing she has done she says: have sex on a random boat. Sounds good. When she asks me back, I’m thinking of the back to back pull from the previous post. I’m undecided of whether to say it but can’t come up with anything else. She insists I have something on my mind. So I tell her about that I had sex with two new girls within three hours in downtown. She’s impressed. We also talk about small dicks and she asks me if I’m trying to seed something. We do the fuck, marry, kill game. When she offers to buy the next round I say let’s go somewhere else. Outside more hands. I know I have to suggest my patio. So I awkwardly say: I think we should have a drink on my patio. And she’s like: okay, we should do that. Lol, it can be that easy. Back at my house we drink wine in the garden, more make out, my patio, inside, I finger her, no LMR, she’s super wet, asks me if I have a condom and close. After only 10 mins of sex she wants to pee and when she comes back she’s like: I think I should go. Apparently she broke up with her boyfriend the preceeding Saturday. Sex could have been longer cause she was good at it and also sexy naked.
In summary:
- Work out a date routine. It doesn’t have to be perfect, you make it perfect. Don’t worry if your location is bad. Whatever works for you will work for her.
- You do need to go deeper on the date. Just being there and letting it flow can work but may yield inconsistent results. You can structure your dates and make them better with general attraction and comfort tools as for example given by Julien.
- Overall: keep going deeper. Every facet of your game should be zoomed in on at some point, taken apart, reassembled. You need to innovate and innovate and innovate. Otherwise you may always be subject to how much in the zone you are.
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